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starting right now on abc's "this week" -- trump firestorm. what he's saying now that has some republicans demanding he drop out. did he just go too far? donald trump is here live to respond. and terror in tennessee. the race this morning to find out more about the gunman, new details about his trip overseas and his troubled family life, did authorities miss any warning signs? plus, nuclear reaction, israel calls it a historic mistake. john kerry is here to defend the deal. from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. good morning, i'm martha raddatz. so many stories developing right as we come on the air. but we start off with donald trump's latest campaign firestorm, shaking up the 2016
race, his new comments about vietnam veteran john mccain's war record sparking a bipartisan backlash. donald trump will join us live momentarily. first, abc's cecilia vega on the new uproar. >> reporter: donald trump is at it again, unleashing his latest political firestorm on a new target, this time, john mccain. >> he's not a war hero. >> reporter: trump in iowa going directly after the arizona senator and former navy fighter pilot who spent 5 1/2 years as a p.o.w. during the vietnam war. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured. >> reporter: and the reaction from fellow republicans fast and fierce, nearly every gop challenger running for the white house firing back. >> when it comes to attacking an american hero, i'm going to call it out. i denounce donald trump for that. >> i was highly offended what donald trump said about john mccain and his years of sacrifice.
>> reporter: democrats pouncing, too. >> there is nothing funny about the hate he is spewing. the insults he's directed a genuine war hero. >> reporter: senator mccain so far staying silent. but his daughter meghan took to twitter, saying she's horrified, disgusted. there are no words. this is just the latest controversy for the brash billionaire. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some i assume are good people. >> reporter: mccain saying recently fired up the crazies that statement igniting this now very public feud. the controversy doesn't seem to be hurting the donald. the latest fox news poll showing trump surging to the front of the pack, and overnight, trump doubling down, saying once again, he will not apologize, saying i'm not a fan of john mccain because he has done so little for our veterans.
and even the republican national committee lashed out at trump saying, there is no place in our party or country for comments who disparage those who have served honorbly. >> thanks very much, cecilia, and let's get straight to donald trump, who joins us right now on the phone for his first interview since those controversial comments. thanks for joining us, mr. trump, do you owe john mccain an apology? >> no, not at all. actually if you look at cheryl atkinson's report last night, it was fine. she thought that the press was covering me very, very unfairly and she stated that. and i respect her as a reporter. very importantly, i got a standing ovation, the biggest ovation they had all weekend, by
far. when i left the room it was a total standing ovation. it was wonderful to see. nobody was insulted. what happened is, later on, the republican candidates, some of whom are registering 1%, and zero, and they're extremely upset i'm leading the polls, and they're extremely upset when the nevada numbers came out, too. >> mr. trump, let's go back to this issue of john mccain and you're talking about the cheryl atkinson piece, you said, he's a war hero he was captured, perhaps, he's a war hero. i want to read you a short bio of john mccain, he was shot down in 1967 on his 23rd bombing mission over north vietnam, he fractured both legs and an arm and nearly drowned when he parachuted into a lake. he was pulled out by north vietnamese who crushed his shoulder he was
beaten, tortured and interrogated. he spent 5 of 1/2 years as a p.o.w. the north vietnamese offered him early release for propaganda purposes, he refused until every man taken before him was released. you do not think that this is a war hero, captured or not? >> i didn't say anything differently, and if you read and if you watch and take a look at what you have, i said nothing differently. i'm very disappointed in john mccain, because the vets are horriblebly treated in this country. i'm fighting for the vets. i have done a lot for the vets. i have been going around the campaign trail, they're treated like third citizens. he's done nothing to help the vets. >> let me tell you this, what the commander, the veterans of foreign war said about your comments, for someone who never served a day in uniform to criticize the service and
sacrifice of a combat wounded veteran is despicable. an insult to anyone who has worn the uniform. to all americans, an attack on one veteran service is an attack on us all. they apparently think you were criticizing mr. mccain in saying that he was not a war hero. >> maybe they don't speak to the same vets that i do speak. i go all over the country. i speak to vets, they're having miserable times. it takes them six, seven days, just to get in a reception room, just trying to get in to see a doctor. they're treating horribly. >> let's go back to your comments about john mccain -- >> it's a scandal and john mccain has done nothing to help the veterans. >> i have covered veteran issues for many, many years. >> and by the way, this all started, martha, when we had thousands and thousands of
people in phoenix, arizona, and john who, by the way, devastated by illegal immigration, something that i'm very proud to have brought to the forefront. we have thousands of people, and he said they're all crazies. he called them crazies. frankly, i think he owes them an apology. >> let me talk about your language about him being captured. you say you prefer those who aren't captured. what could john mccain have done not to be captured? >> people who fought hard and weren't captured and went through a lot, they get no credit, they're forgotten. people that were not captured, that went in and fought, nobody talks about them. those are heroes also. >> i think people do talk about those people, as well. >> i don't think so. >> but what did you mean, you prefer those who aren't captured? >> i w want to give them credit, they don't get the credit. john mccain gets credit, he was elected a senator, et cetera.
in the report it said from cheryl, four times, i said, he is a hero, but, you know, people choose little selective pieces, if you read what i say, or if you watch what i say, you'll say that there was nothing wrong. but people who weren't captured are also heroes, martha. >> i want to talk about you and your deferments, how many deferments did you actually get and what were they for? i believe you had student deferments and medical deferment. >> like many other people during the war, student deferments. i had a minor medical deferment for feet, for a bone spur of the foot, which was minor, i was then entered into the draft, i was fortunate in a sense because i was not a believer in the
vietnam war, that was another war that was a disaster for this country -- lives and money, it's disgraceful with what happened with the vietnam war. but i was entered into the draft and i got a very, very high draft number. >> that wasn't until 1969. >> excuse me -- >> that's right. you had many deferments before. >> excuse me, i was entered into the draft lottery, if i would have gotten a low number. i got a number, i think it was 356, right at the very end. and they didn't get -- i don't believe passed even 300. i was not chosen because of the fact that i had a very high lottery number. >> you -- there seems to be a pattern, mr. trump, when you're criticized or attacked, you often respond with name-calling on twitter and elsewhere. you even demean some people's physical appearance. is that something you would
continue doing as president? is that language beneath the office of president? >> when people attack me, i let them have it back. you say physical appearance, it's my hair, people are constantly attacking my hair. i don't see you coming to my defense. you know, my hair is just fine. but i don't see you coming to my defense. if i say something about somebody else, yesterday, someone said john mccain was a smart man i said really he graduated last in his class at annapolis. people laughed when i said it. i'm very disappointed. i understand john mccain. i backed his raise. he ran for president and lost to obama and let us down. maybe that's why i'm leading in the polls, because people are tired of politicians and pollsters telling the politician exactly what to say. and believe me, this whole thing was brought up by a lot of the
people that are competing against me currently that aren't even registering in the poll. because people are tired of them. >> have you ever said anything that you regret? >> yes, i have, on many occasions. >> can you tell us the few of those? >> no, i wouldn't do that. it's not the appropriate time. certainly i have said things that i could have held back, but not often. surprisingly not that often. certainly there have been some occasions. >> you're not apologizing and you're certainly not pulling out of the race as some of your opponents have suggested? >> of course, they would love have me to do that because i'm leading the pack. i'm certainly not pulling out. i'm leading in north carolina. nevada, i'm way in the lead there. interestingly, in nevada, i lead in hispanics by a tremendous -- the hispanics -- i'm way into
the 30s with hispanics. if i get the nomination, if i run for president, i will win the hispanic vote, because i'll be able to take jobs back from china, jobs back from japan and mexico. and everybody else that's ripping us off in trade and everybody knows that. i will win the hispanic vote. >> so, you think this will actually help you -- this is involving veterans -- and you heard what i said about those veteran groups, you still think this will help you in the polls? >> i believe i will do far more for veterans than john mccain has done for veterans. all talk, no action. you look at what's happening in our veterans, they're being decimated. okay so i will do far more for veterans than anybody. i will be able to build new hospitals, care centers. i will be able to help the veterans. john mccain has failed. because all you have to do is take a look at the scandal at
the veterans administration, the disastrous conditions under which our veterans have to live. and believe me, i built a small group a veteran memorial. in downtown manhattan. i know what it is to help people and i know what it is to help veterans. >> thank you very much for joining us, mr. trump. let's bring in democratic presidential contender, former senator, jim webb. he attended the u.s. naval academy. senator webb, what is your reaction? well, you know that's a lot to react to in a quick minute or two. first of all, i believe if donald trump had taken the opportunity to serve our country, he could have volunteered like a lot of people did, he would have had a different feeling the kind of things he's saying. it's one thing to talk about issues, but when you're talking about military service, you're talking about duty, honor and dignity.
the comments he made a few weeks ago about mexican immigrants insulted a lot of our veterans. some were inflamed with these comments. one of them wrote a letter to mr. trump and said, any time you want, come back and talk to us to military service. oh, you didn't go. i have known john mccain for a very long time. the daily courage that it takes and took, when people are prisoners of war, undergoing the uncertainties of whether they're ever going to come home -- how badly injured he was -- >> just quickly on that, you heard what mr. trump said, i said he was a war hero because he was captured, was he backing off a little bit? or make it worse? >> well, what he said, there's no excuse for it, and you know he can talk about veteran issues, we all care about
veteran issues. and i said this goes to all veterans when they hear those sort of things, because you're talking about the dignity of service when you say things like that. there's no way to take away the courage, the daily courage people like john mccain faced in that incarceration. >> thank you for joining us, senator webb. the roundtable weighs in on trump's future. now that developing story out of tennessee, new details on that suspect in that terror attack that left five service members dead. investigators are working 24/7 to find out everything they can about mohammad youssuf abdulazeez. who did he meet on his recent trip to jordan? i talked to numerous young men who supported the jihadist group. now, officials want to know if see shooter had any links to isis. here's senior justice correspondent pierre thomas. >> reporter: right now, the phones and the computers of
abdulazeez are at the fbi lab in quantico, virginia, in an effort to find clues to his motive. he was not under fbi investigation or surveillance. the fbi want to know how he was able to operate under the radar. they're looking at his travel. including a seven-month travel to jordan last year. did he secretly go to other countries during that visit? they want to find out if he was using online aliases to view violent propaganda, or hide contact with overseas radicals. >> law enforcement is asking is there more we could have done? is there more that we should have done? were there signs that he was exhibiting in the community that were missed? >> reporter: the fbi is under tremendous pressure with terrorism investigations in all 50 states. involves hundreds of suspected radicals. many thought to be isis sympathizers. just one week before the chattanooga terror attack, the fbi director was sounding the alarm before congress.
>> i cannot see me stopping these indefinitely. >> reporter: we don't know if abdulazeez has ties to isis, that's the group he fears is an imminent threat, because of its unprecedented social media campaign. targeting smartphones, tablets and computers. >> it buzzes in their pocket, there is a device, almost a devil on their shoulder all day long saying kill, kill, kill. >> reporter: a daily sophisticated multimedia campaign using all of the advertising tricks. ♪ primary isis focus, directives to kill u.s. military and it's working. in recent months, at least half dozen isis sympathizers. plotting to kill u.s. soldiers here at home. in march, in illinois a man was accused of conspiring with his cousin to kill american soldiers. in april, after he traveled to syria and was allegedly directed by isis to kill military personnel.
men like abdulazeez in their 20s, the difference is, abdulazeez got through. for "this week," pierre thomas, abc news, washington. and joining us now congressman michael mccaul, chair of the homeland security committee. who's calling the shooting an isis-inspired attack. chairman mccaul, can you tell us the latest they found out about abdulazeez? >> well, the fbi is currently doing a forensics examination on his computer, his cell phone and his travels to jordan, which is right across the border from syria, so we have the threat of foreign fighters, but also we have the threat over the internet, which is a new threat that's out there, a new generation of terrorists, you heard the director talked about, these internet directives from syria to activate people in the united states to attack. and what they are saying is attack military installations
and attack police officers. and what we saw was one of the most deadliest attacks on u.s. soil against our u.s. marines and an american sailor. this is the case we're most worried. we have followed quite a few cases. we have over 60 cases that we have rolled over isis followers over the last year. that's her more than one a week. we have investigations into all 50 states, what keeps us up at night are the ones that we don't know about, and i'm afraid that this case falls into that category. >> and to that point, you had a naturalized citizen, numerous trips to jordan a father who was on the terrorist watch list at one time, reports of abuse, online writing, shouldn't alarm bells have sounded? >> well, it's 20/20 hindsight. i command the fbi and homeland fur stopping so many terror plots in the united states. but we will be examining this case, i know the fbi is investigating, again, his
travel, the father was on a watch list, was under an investigation that was closed, and we'll be looking at all those details, but, you know, this is, again, the new sort of threat that's out there over the internet that's very hard to stop. we have 200,000 isis tweets per day that hit the united states and this is one of those threats that the director talks about, getting so -- the chatter is so loud and the volume is so high that it's a problem that's very hard to stop and disrupt in this country. it's something that we have been warning about over the last year. unfortunately, it took place in chattanooga. martha, if it can happen in chattanooga, it can happen anywhere, any time, any place. that's our biggest fear. >> mr. chairman, you say 20/20 is hindsight. but, tamerlan tsarnaev had a background that should have raised alarms.
have we taken more measures since the boston bombing to stop or track someone like this? >> of course. one of the biggest critics of the way that was handled, that particular case, we saw it fall through the cracks, you know, this is one we'll be conducting oversight and examining what happened, but, again, when we're stopping like we did the fourth of july plot that was imminent to blow up military at fourth of july parades, when stopped at garland. we arrested over 60 isis over the last year, again that's more than one per week, this is a very difficult counterterrorism challenge in the united states. and i met with the generals that conduct the war on terror and you know what, i think we need to take the fight over there a little stronger and we need to hit these guys, these cyber commanders that are sending these internet directives out to attack, attack, attack in the united states.
>> chairman mccaul thank you very much for joining us. we'll be right back to look at these soft targets, military recruiting centers, even cruise ships and shopping malls, are we doing enough to protect them? "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by hp. push your enterprise and you can move the world. but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come.
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access into that facility i think certainly merits further study. >> one of the suggestions is to arm them. i think people don't realize sometimes that on these bases people aren't really armed, except for some security people, do you think they should be armed? >> i think it's premature. it should be looked at. i know some state governors within their proper authority have directed that some of the national guard members who are in facilities be armed. that's not the case for federal recruiting stations and there are matters of law in history that have to get involved. but i think there are also other measures that should be taken, such as hardening the facilities, bulletproof glass and doors. the federal, state and local law enforcement relationship with these military entities is very, very sound, and if there's an indication of an increased threat, they're very quick to
make sure that these sites are aware of that threat. >> and brad garrett, they can look at that closely, but it seems like almost everything else is a soft target. >> basically the world is a soft target, except for these little pockets. you can't really take a recruiting station and take it and harden it. they're for us to walk in and decide if we want to join the military. so, a lot of -- we have to face the reality that some of us are just going to be vulnerable doing what we do day in and day out. now, having said that -- >> just quickly, do you think they should arm people at these recruiting stations? >> i think we should not get in a big hurry to do that. people walking around in the civilian population. >> just very quickly, sum up what you think what we can do about soft targets? >> the only thing you can do about soft targets is to improve your intelligence, in other
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>> could this be the beginningover a change in the relationship between america and iran. >> it wasn't the purpose of the negotiation, it's about a nuclear deal. we certainly, i think it would diplomatic malpractice if we didn't keep our doors open to possibilities. >> this deal is going before the u.n. supreme court council on monday. you have heard some harsh criticism from that from congress. bob crocker said that is an affront to american people. why are you going to the u.n. before you're going to the u.s. congress with this deal? >> well, we're not. what we did was negotiate with our partners who are not subject to the congress, that it cannot be implemented until after congress has had a chance to vote. >> but the bottom line is, the u.n.is going to vote on this before congress.
>> they have a right to it, honestly. it's presumptuous to some people that france russia china, germany, britain, ought to do what the congress tells them to do. they have a right to have a vote. but we prevailed on them to delay the implementation of that vote out of respect of our congress. so we wouldn't be jamming them. >> one of the most controversial provisions here, in terms of these covert sites, iran can delay for 24 day before inspectors get in there. you, mr. secretary, had said, anywhere, any time inspections. 24 days -- >> it was any time anywhere in the sense of a well-defined process that would have a well-defined conclusion in time. three weeks is reasonable. most important, we're very confident in our ability to detect vestiges of nuclear.
>> they can't clean up and hide what they're doing? >> various analogies of throwing things down toilets, this isn't so simple with nuclear materials. we have similar samp pling that will reveal the traces of nuclear work. >> the lifting of arms embargo, $100 billion in iranian assets. in five years they'll be able to go on the open market, arms embargo lifted. this is the premier state sponsor of terrorism. >> the united nations resolution, which brought about the sanctions in the first place, said, that if iran will suspend its enrichment and come to negotiations, all the sanctions would be lifted. now, they have done more than just come to negotiations. they have negotiated a deal. three of the seven nations shouldn't be held to any kind of restraint. we prevailed.
and insisted, no, they have to be. we have ample other resolutions that allow us to hold them accountable for moving any weapons. president obama is committed to doubling down on the enforcement of those measures. so, i really think that a mountain is being made out of a molehill here. let's bring in benjamin netanyahu, he's called the deal an historic mistake. he joins us now from israel. prime minister, we know you're adamantly opposed to this deal, what do you do, do you personally lobby congress? >> look i think it's very important for the prime minister as the one and only jewish state against to make our case against the state that we believe endangers the security of the middle east and the world. i think that's important. it's a substantive disagreement. it should be examined. >> i know you have concerns especially about the 24 days to allow inspectors on iranian
nuclear sites and military sites. and yet, the u.s. secretary of energy said the u.s. is very confident in its ability to detect nuclear work beyond 24 days, is he wrong? >> i have great respect for our intelligence services, they're the best in the world, israel's, the u.s. and uk. yet, all of three of us didn't see for a long time the nuclear bunkers, we didn't see the syrian work on a nuclear reactor that was almost operational when we discovered it. so, you know, i have full respect for our intelligence, but it's very thin ice. >> what would have been an ideal to you? >> dismantle for dismantle. that was the original administration position and i think it was the right one. but, in fact, iran actually gets both things. it gets to keep its nuclear
infrastructure and it gets the full dismantling of sanctions. thard-liners in iran are going to come out strong because they're getting everything they want. they're getting a pathway down the line within a decade or so to the capacity to be a threshold state with practically zero breakout time with nuclear bombs and hundreds of billions of dollar which they'll siphon off to their terror and war machine. >> is there anything ash carter, the secretary of defense, that will satisfy you? >> you know, everybody talks about compensating israel. i guess the question is, if this deal is supposed to make israel and our arab neighbors safer, why should we be compensated with anything? how can you compensate our state against a regime that's going to
get billion of dollars for terrorist activities -- i think the right thing is not to do this bad deal. >> let me ask you one final question, the military option, we know you're not going to talk about specifics. is there really any bomb, any military action that would delay iran building a bomb for as long as this deal does? >> as far as the military option, i never talk about it. >> mr. prime minister, thank you. >> thank you. we're right back with senator jim webb and the roundtable breaks down the new donald trump firestorm. and the roundtable breaks down the new donald trump firestorm.
i understand how our american military works. i understand foreign policy issues and i will assure you by the way that, if i were your president, i would never have urged an invasion of iraq. >> senator jim webb speaking in iowa friday night. that event, the first time all five democratic candidates have appeared on stage together and senator webb is back with us now. i want to go to the shooting in chattanooga, you were a marine, you saw many men die, do you agree that recruiters should have -- i think i know you do agree that recruiters should have guns, they should be allowed to carry -- >> they should have the means to defend themselves. this has dramatically changed since 9/11. there's a basic logic here, if we don't know who these shooters
are going to be and we do know that one of their targets that they're focusing on are military people in uniform, then it's just logical that we should provide them the means to defend themselves if they become under any sort of attack like this. that doesn't mean you have to turn a recruiting office into a bunker. as was being discussed before. >> but these are in civilian areas, i think that's the difference. they're in strip malls. >> well, you know, we don't take firearms away from police officers. you know, there should be some means for these people to defend themselves. i had a long talk with the chief of staff of the army after the ft. hood incident, which was also on a military base, there was not one military person in that gathering that had a firearm. i grew up in the military. firearms were normal in these situations. by the time they called the police to get in there to help them, they had 13 dead people. >> how do you see that playing
out, i know one of the things that we talk about with the military, they're not police officers, so, how do you see a scenario playing out like that? >> like i said, i'm not talking about turning these different centers and bases into fire bases, but, at the same time, they should have the ability to defend themselves in some way. and try to think of it the other way around, how would you like to be sitting in one of these chairs, familiar with weapons, waiting to see if someone is going to come in and do harm to you and not having the ability -- >> i'm going to leave that to you. the iran deal. you said you have a lot of concerns and you're going to read it, what concerns you the most and would you vote against it? >> first, i have been a proponent of these sort of approaches toward rogue regimes. i worked with vietnam in terms
of normalizing relations there, i led the change in burma in terms of opening up that regime. i just have serious concerns here, number one, even all of these processes work, and i respect the people who put them together, at the end of ten years, what are we going to have? have we now given our endorsement of the fact that iran will eventually obtain nuclear weapons? and then secondly, the process beginning now, i think is -- we got to be very careful in terms of how it affects the strategic balance in the region in terms of signals that we send, not just in terms of who's got how many conventional weapons. >> i hate to say, be quick on this, because it's your entire campaign. how do you think your prospects look for being president and why do you want to be in president? you stayed in the senate one term. >> well, i have had four
different periods of public service in my life. i have been able to move out of public service for a while and look at things differently. one term in the senate is a term and a half of a presidency. i have had five years in the pentagon. >> so, why do you want to be president? >> i'm very concerned about where we are going in this country and i think we're going to see some dramatic changes in terms of how we approach our economic fairness issues and we really need a commander-in-chief who understands how to deal with these issues. >> thank you very much for joining us, senator webb. ahead -- will donald trump keep his lead in the polls after this latest firestorm? and obama's big sale.
veterans than anybody. john mccain has failed. let's bring in the roundtable. bill kristol, espn's lz granderson. former michigan governor jennifer granholm and abc's chief white house correspondent jon karl. a special welcome to lz and governor granholm. here for the first time as abc news contributors. we're happy to have you many times. i want to start with our jon karl, however, will this hurt him, is this different, is this a turning point? >> well, this is what opened the floodgates for republicans to come out and condemn donald trump, but look, he's content to lead in the polls with 15%. there are two candidates that trump unequivocally helps in this race, one now, the other in the future, the first is jeb bush, because he becomes the vessel for all the anti-bush anger in the party.
the second is hillary clinton. you heard him again, yesterday, say that he will not rule out running as third-party candidate. if that happens, it guarantees a hillary clinton victory. >> and bill kristol, just yesterday, you did a brief interview with abc news, calling older, wiser richer donald trump would be better than hillary still think that? >> i still think he's older and richer. no, i don't think anymore. actually, he was a controversial character who said some useful things who brought some people in the republican tent. he's dead to me. >> he's dead to you? >> he's insulted every veteran who's a p.o.w. with these insane statements. it's your fault that you're captured or shot down. a total lack of respect.
for people's military service and sacrifice. i'm finished with donald trump and i don't think he'll stay up in the polls. republican primary voters are pro-respect military. he showed disrespect for the military. >> lz, did his explanation do anything, change anything? >> explanation? i thought it was more branding, sort of promotion. we know that he's not trying to be president of the united states, he's just right to stir the pot and keep his brand out there. that's what he's been doing. >> has he's gone too far? >> i'm amazed that we think this is the moment that he's gone too far. he went on television and slant a group of people. why didn't it take the attack of john mccain for people to get so upset? republicans start tweeting and denouncing. >> and governor. the democrats sit back and let
this play out? >> well, i was going to say before yesterday that, you know, put up your feet and break out the popcorn, but i do think that he really went too far and i agree with lz, he had gone too far already and this really i think is a signal of this sort of sinister thread that runs through a lot of the far right and tea party, this feeling like those who are different are not one of us, that it's frightening for many in -- the older white americans who might be following him and who are angry, who may feel threatened by this immigrants. i worry about that sinister thread. and i'll be interested to see whether in fact there is a deduction in his ranking, if it
stays high, a lot more that the republican party has to fear. >> let's look at the rankings. latest abc news poll/washington post poll trump's fay voshlt has doubled since may. >> favorable is 33%. >> so, what happens going -- in a week from now, if we took another poll, what do you think that would say? >> well i still think there's a portion of that electorate that's still extremely angry. looked at what happened in the room when he made the comments. one thing that he was right about in the interview, he did get a standing ovation, he was ically applauded after what he said about john mccain. he was asked, can you tell us -- do you ever ask god for forgiveness. >> that was controversial. >> he couldn't come up -- i don't really know, i kind of leave god out of it. >> okay, bill, we also scott walker, officially jump into the
race this week, he's still doing well in the polls, both in iowa and nationally, what is his vulnerability? maybe nothing? >> yeah, i think he's a strong candidate. he's governed successfully. and i think the trump vote will go away. i don't buy a huge argument of vi shgs iriolic -- jennifer wants to make this huge chunk of republican party -- >> i just think it's the number. >> governor o'malley said white lives matter, black lives matter. all lives matter. >> i want to move on iran, since i just got back from iran, it's particularly interesting to me. lz, you tweeted, questioning senator tom cotten criticizing the deal, you said about sator cotten who has been in office for six months takes on six
nations that have been working on this iran deal since 2006. is there like a 6-6-6 thing going there? >> the number six just kept appearing. the way the conversation continues to happen, i spent a couple of weeks in london, i was there covering wimbledon for espn the conversation that's happening abroad in this deal, to here, it's all through the lens of america. all through congress. abroad, it's about the width of this deal and not just domestically. that's important as we have this conversation here. this is not whether or not obama negotiated a bad deal, this is about whether the six nations involved in the conversation found this deal to be advantageous versus against the current status quo. part of the conversation is how congress feels about it. but congress isn't the leader of
the uk, china -- >> i'm sorry. that's right. >> congress just gets brushed aside on whether america goes along -- >> right, for america. right we need to have a conversation who else is impacted by this and what are their thoughts on this as well. >> so, let's quickly move to the hill very quickly, governor, you think what happens on the hill. >> i think people should take a look at hillary clinton's statement on this, because it's not the end of the story. it's the beginning. it's the first step. there are a lot of arrows in the diplomatic quiver to constrain iran's bad behavior in other areas, this is one thing, and the goal was reduce iran's ability to get the bomb, and they have done it. >> jon, i'm going to give you ten seconds. >> the white house thinks they can keep this disapproval resolution from passing the congress by getting at least 41 no votes in the senate.
they can hold most of the democrats. they're off to a good start. >> what would this do to president obama's foreign policy legacy? you've got ten seconds. >> i think it's a tremendous legacy. because it shows that america can lead with allies and strategic coalitions, it doesn't have to be america unilateralism. >> okay thanks all of you, very much. finally, this morning, the heroes killed in the tennessee terror attack, four marines and one sailor. some of these brave men survived wars overseas, only to tragically fall here at home. we remember these remarkable americans. ♪ ♪